In other words, possessive ecstasy allows the encounter with the ancestor called Ajutap or apu such, i.e. an Other named and individualized (which in this way promotes this process of individual by which the subject is built). In this sense, the journey of shaman appears to be a move beyond the unique configurations (since located in space and time) that are unique to this world. It is a quest in the world-other for knowledge about this world.